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		<title>Comment on Hero&#8217;s Journey Short Form by chrisvogler</title>
		<link>http://chrisvogler.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/heros-journey-short-form/#comment-143</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 18:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, once you&#039;ve got it locked down more or less to 12 stages, 4 stages, whatever, then you just keep feeding data into that outline, making it more and more detailed until the visuals, dialogue and emotional turning points are mostly filled in. In other words you&#039;ve written a detailed treatment. Then I&#039;ve found it&#039;s a relatively easy task to convert that expanded outline into a screenplay blueprint that is then storyboarded.  You simply follow your own outline, expanding each scene into screenplay format and filling in any gaps in dialogue and action.

You can reverse the order of the last two steps: writing the screenplay and story boarding -- some artists prefer to use a storyboard approach first, laying out the story as a series of sketches, and only then turning it into a screenplay.  That&#039;s how I saw THE LION KING being created.  It&#039;s also possible to do these processes in tandem, creating a visual storyboard at the same time as the treatment and screenplay are being written.

I had a good experience with screenplay first, storyboard after when I created my Japanese-style manga Ravenskull, inspired by Ivanhoe and the legends of King Richard and Robin Hood.  I first wrote a rough treatment and a detailed memo on the background of the story -- filled with jpeg images of knights, armor, castles, and movies that inspired me.  My talented artist colleague Elmer Damaso, working far away in the Philippines, almost instantly translated these into concept art and character sketches.  Then I wrote the script for the comic book story, using classic Hollywood screenplay format.  As soon as Elmer received my scenes by email, he would start drawing out the panels, creating a stunning visual version of my written concepts within days.  This was a case where the story was rather complex and it needed to be written out first.  Of course I was trying to think visually as I wrote the script and Elmer and I formed a very strong team, as he seemed to know exactly what was in my mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, once you&#8217;ve got it locked down more or less to 12 stages, 4 stages, whatever, then you just keep feeding data into that outline, making it more and more detailed until the visuals, dialogue and emotional turning points are mostly filled in. In other words you&#8217;ve written a detailed treatment. Then I&#8217;ve found it&#8217;s a relatively easy task to convert that expanded outline into a screenplay blueprint that is then storyboarded.  You simply follow your own outline, expanding each scene into screenplay format and filling in any gaps in dialogue and action.</p>
<p>You can reverse the order of the last two steps: writing the screenplay and story boarding &#8212; some artists prefer to use a storyboard approach first, laying out the story as a series of sketches, and only then turning it into a screenplay.  That&#8217;s how I saw THE LION KING being created.  It&#8217;s also possible to do these processes in tandem, creating a visual storyboard at the same time as the treatment and screenplay are being written.</p>
<p>I had a good experience with screenplay first, storyboard after when I created my Japanese-style manga Ravenskull, inspired by Ivanhoe and the legends of King Richard and Robin Hood.  I first wrote a rough treatment and a detailed memo on the background of the story &#8212; filled with jpeg images of knights, armor, castles, and movies that inspired me.  My talented artist colleague Elmer Damaso, working far away in the Philippines, almost instantly translated these into concept art and character sketches.  Then I wrote the script for the comic book story, using classic Hollywood screenplay format.  As soon as Elmer received my scenes by email, he would start drawing out the panels, creating a stunning visual version of my written concepts within days.  This was a case where the story was rather complex and it needed to be written out first.  Of course I was trying to think visually as I wrote the script and Elmer and I formed a very strong team, as he seemed to know exactly what was in my mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mamma mia, for crying out loud by chrisvogler</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 18:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the ground is being plowed for a resurgence of emotionally charged movie musicals with the great infusion of singing and dancing energy that has poured into the culture through TV talent shows and series like Glee and Smash.  And the coarse, sensationalistic movies that now dominate our screens are creating a void and a hunger for something simple and heartfelt, entertainment on a human scale.  Movies do both ends of the spectrum very well -- magnifying reality to show the colossal, the epic, the monstrous, the shocking, but also working at the simple human level to show life in all its painful beauty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the ground is being plowed for a resurgence of emotionally charged movie musicals with the great infusion of singing and dancing energy that has poured into the culture through TV talent shows and series like Glee and Smash.  And the coarse, sensationalistic movies that now dominate our screens are creating a void and a hunger for something simple and heartfelt, entertainment on a human scale.  Movies do both ends of the spectrum very well &#8212; magnifying reality to show the colossal, the epic, the monstrous, the shocking, but also working at the simple human level to show life in all its painful beauty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hero&#8217;s Journey Short Form by youscreenwriter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 16:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris,
Your tailoring of the Hero&#039;s Journey 12 steps for commercials and shorter web content is very helpful.

I&#039;m working on automating these steps at http://www.YouScreenWriter.com, via an online mobile studio toolkit, in collaboration with Stuart Voytilla and his &quot;Myth and the Movies&quot; book, which extends your &quot;Writer&#039;s Journey.&quot;

Question: how do you recommend the next steps in the workflow, once you&#039;ve tailored down the 12 steps to a leaner 4 step mobisode story outline, into a shooting script, storyboards, and actual digital footage?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
Your tailoring of the Hero&#8217;s Journey 12 steps for commercials and shorter web content is very helpful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on automating these steps at <a href="http://www.YouScreenWriter.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.YouScreenWriter.com</a>, via an online mobile studio toolkit, in collaboration with Stuart Voytilla and his &#8220;Myth and the Movies&#8221; book, which extends your &#8220;Writer&#8217;s Journey.&#8221;</p>
<p>Question: how do you recommend the next steps in the workflow, once you&#8217;ve tailored down the 12 steps to a leaner 4 step mobisode story outline, into a shooting script, storyboards, and actual digital footage?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mamma mia, for crying out loud by youscreenwriter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 15:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a 53 year old man, together with my 24 year old son, had the same magical tearful experience in watching the singing musical movie &quot;Footloose,&quot; played so tenderly by a very young Kevin Bacon.

What happened to these old fashioned musicals?  How can we start writing and producing these again?  Is it possible to trigger those emotions in the Millenial audience?
Or, are we just a severely endangered species, writing for the new generation numbed by violent sexual rollercoaster flicks?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 53 year old man, together with my 24 year old son, had the same magical tearful experience in watching the singing musical movie &#8220;Footloose,&#8221; played so tenderly by a very young Kevin Bacon.</p>
<p>What happened to these old fashioned musicals?  How can we start writing and producing these again?  Is it possible to trigger those emotions in the Millenial audience?<br />
Or, are we just a severely endangered species, writing for the new generation numbed by violent sexual rollercoaster flicks?</p>
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		<title>Comment on New Book!  New Workshop! by Mark Curcher</title>
		<link>http://chrisvogler.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/new-book-new-workshop/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Curcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to let you know how much I am enjoying and learning from your new book.   I found your blog and thus your book via Nancy Duarte&#039;s book on presentations &quot;Resonate&quot;.  I am so happy that I followed my impulse to buy your book.

I am not a writer as such but an educator with a particular interest in instructional design and educational technology.   
It is at the junction of these disciplines that I feel your work has so much relevance for me.   In the field of Ed Tech there is a lot of discussion about how digital technologies facilitate the co-construction of digital narratives, of stories, and how these are &#039;sticky&#039; in terms of learning.  The work seems to fall into two fields, those interested in the tools (or technology) and those interested in the pedagogy.  Both have their value, but I wonder about the actual stories themselves.   If we could make learning as engaging as a blockbuster movie or great novel, how much deeper learning could we achieve?   There is plenty of literature on the importance of engagement - but how to achieve that?  
It strikes me as I read through your book (I am only at Chapter 7 now - but still felt inclined to write) that I should start to apply these same rules to learning materials and objects.  For example, how many text books go on and on, even after the &#039;scene&#039; has finished? (Most!).
I just referred to your book in a comment on a fairly well known ed tech blog (http://steve-wheeler.blogspot.com/2011/11/thousand-conversations.html).

Thanks again.  I feel I am onto something here and if you know of any work in the same area I would be happy to hear from you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to let you know how much I am enjoying and learning from your new book.   I found your blog and thus your book via Nancy Duarte&#8217;s book on presentations &#8220;Resonate&#8221;.  I am so happy that I followed my impulse to buy your book.</p>
<p>I am not a writer as such but an educator with a particular interest in instructional design and educational technology.<br />
It is at the junction of these disciplines that I feel your work has so much relevance for me.   In the field of Ed Tech there is a lot of discussion about how digital technologies facilitate the co-construction of digital narratives, of stories, and how these are &#8216;sticky&#8217; in terms of learning.  The work seems to fall into two fields, those interested in the tools (or technology) and those interested in the pedagogy.  Both have their value, but I wonder about the actual stories themselves.   If we could make learning as engaging as a blockbuster movie or great novel, how much deeper learning could we achieve?   There is plenty of literature on the importance of engagement &#8211; but how to achieve that?<br />
It strikes me as I read through your book (I am only at Chapter 7 now &#8211; but still felt inclined to write) that I should start to apply these same rules to learning materials and objects.  For example, how many text books go on and on, even after the &#8216;scene&#8217; has finished? (Most!).<br />
I just referred to your book in a comment on a fairly well known ed tech blog (<a href="http://steve-wheeler.blogspot.com/2011/11/thousand-conversations.html" rel="nofollow">http://steve-wheeler.blogspot.com/2011/11/thousand-conversations.html</a>).</p>
<p>Thanks again.  I feel I am onto something here and if you know of any work in the same area I would be happy to hear from you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New Book!  New Workshop! by Stephanie Vickers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Vickers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris,
My husband and I thoroughly enjoyed chatting with you at the film screening for The Future of Story Conference. Thanks for the advice about historical pieces and book adaptations. We&#039;re fired up! Can&#039;t wait to dive into your new book!
Thanks again,
Stephanie Vickers &amp; Clay Humphrey]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
My husband and I thoroughly enjoyed chatting with you at the film screening for The Future of Story Conference. Thanks for the advice about historical pieces and book adaptations. We&#8217;re fired up! Can&#8217;t wait to dive into your new book!<br />
Thanks again,<br />
Stephanie Vickers &amp; Clay Humphrey</p>
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		<title>Comment on Happy New Decade by Happy New Decade « Chris Vogler&#039;s Writer&#039;s Journey Blog &#124; Magic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Happy New Decade « Chris Vogler&#039;s Writer&#039;s Journey Blog &#124; Magic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and died there, peopled by dream figures, heroes and monsters, devils and temptresses   Visit link: Happy New Decade « Chris Vogler&#039;s Writer&#039;s Journey Blog     Tagged with: dream-figures &#8226; live &#8226; magic &#8226; mexicali &#8226; mexico &#8226; north [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and died there, peopled by dream figures, heroes and monsters, devils and temptresses   Visit link: Happy New Decade « Chris Vogler&#039;s Writer&#039;s Journey Blog     Tagged with: dream-figures &bull; live &bull; magic &bull; mexicali &bull; mexico &bull; north [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kimchee and me by Choon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 01:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, Mr. Vogler 

I’m happy to hear that you had an intensive course for Korean movie industry people. I’m the translator of your book  into Korean. I really hope to see you next time in Korea. Also, I can’t wait to read your new book &#039;Memo from the Story Department.&#039; I love the title, especially the subtitle, ‘Secrets of Structure and Character.’ If possible, I’d like to translate and share it with Korean. 

Thanks, Choon 
(My full name is Choon Sung Ham.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Mr. Vogler </p>
<p>I’m happy to hear that you had an intensive course for Korean movie industry people. I’m the translator of your book  into Korean. I really hope to see you next time in Korea. Also, I can’t wait to read your new book &#8216;Memo from the Story Department.&#8217; I love the title, especially the subtitle, ‘Secrets of Structure and Character.’ If possible, I’d like to translate and share it with Korean. </p>
<p>Thanks, Choon<br />
(My full name is Choon Sung Ham.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on HAIL CENTURION by albert</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 02:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;albert...&lt;/strong&gt;

excelent post, keep it coming...]]></description>
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<p>excelent post, keep it coming&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on HAIL CENTURION by Menjadi Blogger Yang Bahagia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Menjadi Blogger Yang Bahagia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad to visit for the first time here let&#039;s hope this visit continues until a beautiful friendship.

Warmest regards always.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to visit for the first time here let&#8217;s hope this visit continues until a beautiful friendship.</p>
<p>Warmest regards always.</p>
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